Interview with Matt Barrie, frelancer.com CEO
Cristian: Hi Matt, thank you for accepting the interview. You are the CEO of Freelancer.com, the largest outsourcing marketplace. What exactly is Freelancer.com ?
Matt: We’re similar and as simple to use as eBay, but instead of buying and selling goods, it’s for outsourcing of small projects, typically 150 pounds or less, from the western world to the developing world. The mainstream projects are things like build me a website, get traffic to my website, design me a logo, and so on, but just about anything you can think of can now be outsourced online. We have over 360 different categories as diverse as mechanical engineering, architectural drafting and iphone application design. Because the freelancers are mainly from the developing world, you pay as low as 10% of what you’d normally pay to get the job done locally.
Cristian: You are a successful entrepreneur and executive: advisor to QuintessenceLabs, non-executive director of Julius Finance, Inc, raised approximately $40M USD in financing from venture capital and co-author of over 20 US patent applications. How did you come up with the Freelancer.com idea?
Matt: Freelancer.com is to an extent a private equity rollup of the space. We started in early 2009 by buying GetAFreelancer.com, which at the time was a Swedish company and had 500,000 users. Since that time we’ve acquired about half a dozen or so other marketplaces and integrated them into our platform. Today we’re the world leader with 2.2 million users and 940,000 projects outsourced to date.
Cristian: Today Freelancer.com has over 2,177,000 employers and freelancers globally from over 234 countries & regions. Was this exceptional growth something you planned and imagined since the start-up time? I’m asking because a lot of people are afraid to start a business because they don’t have a unique idea and my own experience says you never know where the future leads you.
Matt: Well originally I looked at building a site from scratch and entering the space that way, but after realising that the incumbents had raised between $50 and $100 million already and had quite a head start, I decided to buy in, rather than build from scratch. The growth over the last two years has been phenomenal. We’ve gone from about the 5000th biggest website in the world into the top 250 a few weeks ago.
I’ve worked in venture capital before, where you get sent 100 business plans a day. Let me tell you, ideas are not unique. What is unique is execution. You’re always going to have competitors otherwise you have to question whether there’s a market there or not.
Cristian: How does Freelancer.com exactly work for businesses willing to outsource?
Matt: Its simple to use. Simply register for free and post a project. The first project you post is also free. It takes only a minute to type in a description and budget, and within seconds it’s live and people start bidding. On average you will get around 60-80 bids on your project from all around the world- sometimes into the hundreds!
You can ask the bidders questions, look through their portfolio of work and so on before you pick them. We run an escrow-like service, so when you pick a freelancer you can load funds in to the system so the freelancer starts work but can’t access those funds until you’re completely happy with the work and decide to release them.
We charge 3 pounds or 3%, whatever is higher, as you pay the freelancer. So for example if you get a website built for 100 pounds, we charge only 3 pounds commission.
Cristian: What would be the best practice when choosing a freelancer? I think everybody knows that picking up the cheapest isn’t necessarily the best choice.
Matt: All the bids will be cheap relative to what you expect so make sure you go for quality first. Go for freelancers with a high reputation (we show this on the bids). You can look through their entire work history, how much they’ve been paid, what the feedback was, their rating and so on. Look through their portfolio, ask for samples of work. Also some freelancers will produce a custom sample for you for free if you ask them. Ask a lot of questions!
Cristian: I recently talked with an entrepreneur from France and he told me he prefers outsourcing via Freelancer.com all his development work. But if you have more outsourcing projects put together to build a product or service, isn’t going to affect the final result due to different working styles and quality levels? What’s the best way to work on more complex projects?
Matt: It depends. If your project is quite complex you might decide to hire a freelancer that actually runs his own company and has a number of people working there. For example, some of the freelancers on our site actually are teams of up to 100 people or more!
Cristian: Is there some sort of protection against bad work?
Matt: Yes, on several fronts. First of all, pick freelancers with a high reputation. Bad work counts against reputation, so the freelancers higher up the list have a track record of excellence. Secondly, using the milestone payment (escrow) system, if something goes wrong you can always get your money back via dispute resolution.
That’s why it’s always so important to pay through our site rather than go offsite such as paying directly via Paypal.
Cristian: What are the benefits of using Freelancer.com instead of a typical outsourcing setup with an offshore company? And what is the typical size of the projects?
Matt: You have a much greater diversity of talent with 2.2 million freelancers, and you can use different people for different jobs. Also because we run a competitive marketplace, the freelancers are always striving for reputation in order to win work. So the customer service is excellent. Also we provide third party validation, for example through the exams we provide on the site in various topics. Projects start at 20 pounds and average under 150 pounds.
Cristian: And I suppose people that provide the work enjoy the benefits of finding work on the marketplace easier than in the brick and mortar World?
Matt: Yes, because we have a huge amount of jobs available at any point in time. We have about 1500 being posted a day, which saves freelancers the trouble of having to go prospect for work themselves. We send about a million emails an hour out notifying people of work.
Cristian: How much money can a freelancer make via Freelancer.com in a regular month?
Matt: It depends what you are doing. Some of our freelancers with the highest reputation are bringing in around US$1 million a year.
Cristian: How exactly does a project go? What are the steps of having some work done?
Matt: You click on “Post a Project” which provides a simple one page form to fill out. After you enter a title, description, what skills you want and budget it’s live. Freelancers will start bidding on it, and you’ll be notified by email of this. You can then scan through the bids, ask questions, and so on until you find someone you like. You then award the project to the freelancer and put funds into escrow to start work and you’re off and running!
Remember not to release the funds until you’re 100% happy with the work.
Cristian: What are the most important outsourcing domains?
Matt: The most popular are Website Design, Graphic Design, Internet Marketing/SEO and so on.
Cristian: Can you name a few interesting things that were done via Freelancer.com?
Matt: Sure, someone got a fully functional dune buggy designed for $270. You can get a 3D walkthrough of your house done for about $100. Someone got a 3D walkthrough of an affordable luxury hotel in Barbados designed for about $1200. The other day someone got an iPhone application written to take his girlfriend on a treasure hunt and then propose marriage to her!
Cristian: Coming back to the start-up time, how did you get the first freelancers and employers?
Matt: Well we had a bit of a head start by buying into the space rather than from starting from scratch.
Cristian: Just to keep the balance, I’m sure there are also some disadvantages of outsourcing. Could you name a few?
Matt: Well sometimes you need to have someone local to work with you in your office, although you can also find local people through our site
Cristian: And what is your response to people saying outsourcing makes them lose their job?
Matt: Outsourcing creates unparalleled opportunity in the west to boost productivity and cut your costs. It also means it’s never been easier or cheaper to start a company. I read a survey the other day that said something like 50% of people in the UK want to start a business but only 6% are doing it. Literally for a few hundred quid you can now start an Internet company. Digg.com, the social news site, started with US$60 as an outsourced project. Recently it rejected an US$80 million takeover offer from Yahoo.
If we boost self employment rates by 1% in the UK, it would boost GDP by around 1.5% and add 22 billion pounds to the economy.
Cristian: Talking now about global trends, I believe India was the typical outsource country. Any new players? Maybe China?
Matt: The top outsourcing destinations are India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, the Philippines, Vietnam, China, Romania and the Czech Republic. Typically it depends on the type of work as well. China is fantastic to outsource technical jobs like CAD/CAM, manufacturing, 3D modeling and electronics.
Cristian: And finally, any thoughts about the future?
Matt: How would your business change if you had access to virtually unlimited labour at next to no cost?